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Topic: Race officer scoring
Posted By: Adam MR 1137
Subject: Race officer scoring
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 11:12am

Hi all,

Just wondering how yo score your average for duties??

At the moment we are using all race results scored, but not DNC's.

Problem I see with that, and it is personal so I might be biased, is that someone can use all of their discards as DNC's and then only their counted results make up the average, which is also a counted result. Whereas someone could sail all the races, end up with a worse average score.

Or we could change it and score all the results countable or not, but as we all know, at club level we usually need a discard or two for races we cannot make.

So my question is, what system are you using at your club?



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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 11:29am
We don't. It is all carefully planned so that everyones duties are spread out enough that no one will miss more than one race in a particular series and so forth. Works ok for us.

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Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 11:33am
We use the same system as you. DNCs do not contribute to
your "duty" average points.

I think that's fair. If someone turns up for their duty
then they would otherwise race. So they should receive
their average "racing score".

The prize at the end of the season is for the best sailor,
not the one who turned up most. As long as the number of
discards is not too large then it is unlikely that a
"flash-in-the pan" will win it.

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Posted By: Adam MR 1137
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 11:44am

Yeah it seems fair and fine nearly all of the time, so I have not really got a problem with it. Just more curious as to what everyone else is doing.

Just out of interest how long are your series?

I do not see how carefull planning to make sure you only miss one is possible without huge effort form somebody??!! and then what if that one becomes a DNC that you have to count, ssems better to offer an average score to me.



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Posted By: vscott
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 1:04pm

At Kielder a duty earns you a 3rd place in the race - but you can only count a duty result for one race in a series - usually about 7 races per series, 4 to count.

That sounds pretty generous but usually we do only one duty per season so it does not appear to skew the results and is a welcome boost to the back of the fleeters.

 

 



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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 1:31pm

this may not work for everyone and as far as i know no one does this on a regular basis, but what if the you have class duty days.  that way you dont have to count average results, as everyone is in the same position. 

we do it for our club week with each class having a duty day.  it may be impractical for some club classes due to size - too large and people don t do anything or too small and you may have to merge classes for tat duty day.  yes people will miss a days sailing every so often but at least the duties will be shared out amongst all of the racers and not just the few whole actually volunteer their time.



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 3:22pm
We use average of all except DNC.


Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 4:36pm
Originally posted by Adam MR 1137


Just out of interest how long are your series?




The Summer series runs from early May through to Late
September. Racing is on Tuesday evenings and Sunday
afternoons. The Tuesdays are split into early and late
sesaon while the Sundays run throughout. The Sunday
racing isn't as well supported as the Tuesday eve because
many of us travel about at the weekends. We are a very
Laser dominated club and the Irish Laser Association has
a very busy schedule. Keelboats don't race on Sundays as
they compete at the Royal Ulster on Saturday. We use the
same rescue crews throughout the season but run a Race
Office team of 4 (RO, Assistant, Timekeeper, Flags) for
each day's racing. A team of 4 means that we can still
race if only 3 turn up.

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Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 4:52pm
We give a 1st place, this makes it a lot more appealing to do your duty, you are only allowed one per series though.  Works really well, and because you only get a duty on your second season it makes it appealing to stay for more than one year!

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 03 Jul 09 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by laser193713

this makes it a lot more appealing to do your duty

But, assuming everyone in the series does a duty, all that does is have the same effect as giving everyone one more discard...


Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 04 Jul 09 at 10:40am

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by laser193713

this makes it a lot more appealing to do your duty

But, assuming everyone in the series does a duty, all that does is have the same effect as giving everyone one more discard...

Agree Jim, but by giving everyone the option of a duty in exchange for a 'non excludable' 1st place means that no-one will ever disadvantage their series score (for the majority it would be an advantage). By not doing a duty you could be disadvantaging yourself. There is therefore a positive incentive to do a duty (unless you think you can get straight 1st's anyway!).



Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 04 Jul 09 at 10:59am

Just expanding this concept a little further;

How about having a 'non excludeable' duty race?

If you don't do a duty (in the series) you have at least one non excludable DNS. If you do, do a duty you get a mutually agreed score which you may or may not use.

Would that work?




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