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    Posted: 23 Aug 23 at 4:38am
Hello all,

A few years ago I came on the forum as a returning sailor to ask for advice on a single hander to have some fun it, I ended up with a lovely Lightning 386 which TBH I haven't sailed as much as I had hoped so I'm thinking of going down a different route.

Me and very often my wife enjoy sailing the the Wayfarers at our club but available times are often restricted and I'd like my (our) own boat.

So its a big ask, what I'm after is a 2 person dinghy that I can also sail on my own, its got to be light enough that I can haul it out of the water on my own (something around the same weight as the Lightning) as I will mainly be sailing solo but big enough for 2 adults.

I thinking something like a Mirror but I feel it may be a little snug so my second thought is a Miracle. Has anyone any experience of one, can I sail it solo etc.

Any advice or boat suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Roger.
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Mirror will feel underpowered next to a Wayfarer, Miracle not much bigger than a Mirror, faster though. My old club had both a couple used to sail a Mirror together, average size adults, both easily single handed.
Firefly faster than Miracle and Mirror, larger capacity and light.
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Like the idea of a Firefly Ö it was after all an Olympic singlehander 
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Thanks for the replies chaps,
I didnít even consider a Firefly, looks ideal but when I checked it out on wiki it appears to be twice as heavy as a Miracle. 
Wiki has a miracle at 59kg and a Firefly at 118kg, surely that canít be right.


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The 118kg is all up weight, never felt heavy to me, Enterprise felt heavier and GP14 felt like pulling a car.
Not sure many double handers will be much lower than 100kgs.
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Miracle 77kg all up weight.
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Firefly is 74kg hull weight, the Lightning 368 is 54, and the extra sail and associated bits and you're looking at the Firefly being least 30-35kg heavier than the Lightning.

The Heron is another option for a single and double hander but has the same issues as the Mirror for two adults, i.e. limited space I the cockpit. The class rules (like the Mirror) allow them to be raced singlehanded though which may be important. 

If racing is not important but space in the boat is (at the cost of some extra weight) I'd suggest the Enterprise and get either a set of used Firefly sails or have some Ent cruising sails made for sailing it solo. The standard rig is a handful for one in any sort of breeze. Weightwise they're heavier at 95kg hull weight but the all up sailing weight of around 125kg is still manageable off the water unless the slipway/beach is steep. The Ent is somewhat more lively than a Waybarge (as anything so much lighter will be) but is well mannered and refined boat.


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Wayfarer staggeringly heavier than any of the boats mentioned, how did you launch?
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We use a club boat, they are kept on moorings for the season.
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That would help, good practice for mooring to a buoy if you take up yachting.
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