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Sam.Spoons 
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 Topic: Clean wind or favoured tack?Posted: 30 May 22 at 5:37pm |
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It's never going to be a problem in the Blaze, the racks prevent more than a very modest roll and the lack of rocker means they are slow to tack anyway
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Grumpycat
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Posted: 30 May 22 at 1:53pm |
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I never said the there shouldn’t be rules . In general I am for the current rules , I don’t want to see a pump and rock fest .Only that the bit about coming out of the roll tack faster than you went in is silly as it’s not enforceable and every half decent ILCA/ Laser/Solo etc sailor is doing exactly that up and down the country on a light wind day .
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CT249
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Posted: 30 May 22 at 9:37am |
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We police upwind pumping in the Windsurfer LT class with no problem, although there is a "pump all you want" period for 30 seconds after the start. Policing when the air is as dirty as it is when coming off the is extremely difficult, as is downwind pumping so we allow that first burst of pumping upwind and all pumping downwind. It's a pretty good compromise and the conformity with the rules is excellent.
In general I must agree with Jim C 100%. If we didn't have rules against kinetics many people would spend much of each race pumping or rolling as hard as they could. In many classes you would just stand on the foredeck and rock the boat from side to side as hard as you physically could. It would take away a vast amount of the skill, cause enormous gaps to the older and newer sailors, and look absolutely stupid.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 18 May 22 at 11:40am |
At my club it wasn't pumping that killed long board racing (or on the UK circuit) but what did is another discussion. I was very against pumping in Div 1 but got to be reasonably good at it out of necessity. And on boards at least it was pretty much impossible to police.
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423zero
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Posted: 08 May 22 at 11:17am |
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Yes, leave it alone, racing rules are top heavy enough, experienced sailors and officials know when someone is taking the mickey.
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JimC
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Posted: 08 May 22 at 10:10am |
But no rule is much worse. I love gentle subtle kinetics, the use of subtle body movement coupled with sail and rudder to make best use of changing conditions, and if I'm sailing recreationally I do it all the time. But legalise it, and is this what we see? It is not. What we see is the 470s [redacted] on the trapeze, the constant sail flapping/air rowing of the boards, Star crews constantly rocking the boat, and even when its technically illegal there have been times when certain fleets have got in the habit of rocking rolling and pumping round the track. The cure tastes pretty nasty, but it sure as hell is a load better than the disease. I'm sure the sailing authorities would be delighted if someone could frame better propulsion rules that weren't desperately subjective, but I know I'm not smart enough to manage it. |
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sargesail
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Posted: 08 May 22 at 7:58am |
Yes you could - based on empirical evidence from racing solo sailors! |
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Paramedic
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Posted: 08 May 22 at 6:49am |
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It isn't really though is it because if they did do away with it i'm pretty sure on some days I could roll tack my solo up the beat head to wind. Its only in conditions where we really shouldn't be racing that this crops up I suppose and if we decide to sail we - mostly - all know where the line is.
I don't think there is much wrong with any of the propulsion rules. Windsurfing removed them and within 3 years a thriving racing scene at my club had died completely.
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Grumpycat
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Posted: 07 May 22 at 8:46pm |
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This is very true, which is why this rule is very silly.
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423zero
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Posted: 07 May 22 at 5:21pm |
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I fairly race through the tack, I am very athletic, this throwing the boat through the manoeuvre must generate drive, but it isn't looked for, just a natural consequence.
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