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Originally posted by JimC

Actually on line entry was half the problem, because the CA pn line entry doesn't record all the fields needed for the prize in the NOR.

Yeah, sub perfect organisation in a lot of ways, but then it was just a one day regional event at a medium sized club, not a major championship with all the extra support that implies...

Also with 5 races to squeeze in on the one day there's not a lot of time, no time to go round telling competitors to peel numbers off for instance.

Volunteer or Amateur sholdn't mean amateurish. (EDIT 'shouldn't':  spelling shouldn't be amateurish either)

Sick on-line entry forms really bug me.  It IS possible to control mandatory fields, including punctuation and capitalisation, and it's just slack not to do so.

I don't wear the 'its only a ...' excuse.
  1. Every event should be a best effort for race/regatta management;
  2. They only need to ask:  I'm sure the RYA, like here has plenty of experienced race officials that will help with documentation.
Bow numbers and things, I'm inclined to think are a bit of an affectation.

Are you saying these things were legacies from previous events?  Didn't the NOR/SI tell people to peel the damn things off?  Hope they will next year.


Edited by Brass - 23 Sep 19 at 9:24am
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In theory, AIUI, the champ numbers are allocated by the CA per season for the major events, but a sailor keeps the same number in their time in the class. But being a junior class there's a fast turnover of boats and sailors, so most new sailors will get a s/h boat that has a number on, which will be incorrect, but being new, they won't know to peel it off.

At a multiple day event there would be time to manage this, but when its arrive at 9:30 to 10, first start at 11, entries on the day its not really practical to work out who has the right numbers and who the wrong.

I do intend to report back to the CA with suggestions, especially about the perceived deficiencies of the on line entry system, but you know I'm just one person at one club...

Edited by JimC - 23 Sep 19 at 9:46am
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I think having downwind finishes adds to the problem. I think it was easier when we used to finish on a beat. 
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Downwind finishes are daft, if you must finish close to the starting area then either have a short reach to the finish or, better, have the line halfway up the beat.
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This was a short reach to a finish line, but they were so bunched it didn't have the usual effect of forcing line astern.
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Short reaches to the finish after a downwind leg has resulted in many classes of reducing the ideal crew weight in a boat. The recent post re shouty man at the downwind turning mark from a run to the reach finish and the many collisions gunnel to gunnel that occur also springs to mind, I have no recollection of big fleets many years ago with up wind finsh and twin leeeward marks ever having the same issue.
Is it pressure on race team to max the races per day rather than the 2 races max we used to do.
by not moving marks/boats the turn around is quicker even if the race quality drops.
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Never really worked out why the reach finish is better than a central start/finish line on a windward/leeward course, or even a lake knitting pattern one.
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I always have finish in front of caravan regardless of where start is, this is buoy 7 and it is a very narrow gap between buoy and bank, couldn't get more than 3 boats abreast.
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As results person, I like the opens where a person checks the form before money is taken and if something isn't filled in, it can be completed before entry is paid and thus finalised. 
If it was clearly stated that incomplete entry forms mean sailors don't qualify for the prizes then maybe more would make the effort to complete them correctly.
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