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In this instance, I like uniformity. I'd hate to go to an open one week and lose on a tie break, then go somewhere else and lose on a tie break under a different system, where I'd have won if the system from the week before was being used. And if I won both, I'd not feel right about it, though I'd laugh, of course...
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Originally posted by Rupert

I'd hate to go to an open one week and lose on a tie break, then go somewhere else and lose on a tie break under a different system

Not a problem that concerns me these days...
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Sorry, by the time I posted about the 13/14 I thought it was last race score, not lowest race score which I can see now (someone explained it).

It's still f**ked up though.

If a guy beats someone two races to one in a three race event he should win - end of.

That result is bollox.

Which means this scoring system is also bollox, sorry, once more y'all have got it wrong.

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When I say win/lose, I'm referring to the tie break, not the open - could be between 10th and 11th one week and 9th and 10th the next...

Mind, I did lose a tie break in 2013 that would have won me an open.
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Just to muddy the water further when Graeme's favourite class (Solos!) work out prizes for Masters, Grand Masters etc. within a major championship, they count the placings of individual age groups as though no other boats were racing. It is thus mathematically possible for a Master, say, who finishes ahead of another Master in the overall classification to finish behind the other guy when the Masters only classification is calculated, which might seem peverse - but it can cut both ways if it is the system always used.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 15 at 10:34pm
So what was so wrong with the old RYA short series results we used to know and love?

I dunno, change, it's never for the better is it?
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Originally posted by NickM

Just to muddy the water further when Graeme's favourite class (Solos!) work out prizes for Masters, Grand Masters etc. within a major championship, they count the placings of individual age groups as though no other boats were racing. It is thus mathematically possible for a Master, say, who finishes ahead of another Master in the overall classification to finish behind the other guy when the Masters only classification is calculated, which might seem peverse - but it can cut both ways if it is the system always used.

For the GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series we also extract results to form specific class rankings

The logic is this gives a far more balanced view of the boats competing against others in their class.  Dan Holman was third overall at the Oxford Blue,  the next boat Russ Hopkins was 47 places behind.  If these actual scores rather than relatives ones were used in the class rankings this would have a massive effect.  There will be a discard after this weekend's Bloody Mary and with four D-Zeros currently entered expect some shake up in the overall class standings.

Talking discards,  I do think three races is too low a number and we will re-visit for next year.


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GRF, if a boat with 2 wins always beats a boat with 1, then a score of 16,16,16 will beat 1,17,17 - does that seem right? If it is closer, and comes out as a draw, having the high score winning keeps the above logic.

And of course the seperate class results should be scored as a fleet - if the order changes, so be it.
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2 Wins out of three no matter what the score, is the only fair solution if you want to reward consistency and not lucky flier flukes.

That was the whole purpose of the old short series system. (I should qualify that, by saying that three race events all should count and discards should not be entertained until race four)

Another reason for me to stick to one race events, those results would have me spitting nails.

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Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

 


Talking discards,  I do think three races is too low a number and we will re-visit for next year.



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