Which Clubs use modified PY numbers

OK one post for several questions.

Tom - get the sailwave files and then look for the option in sailwave to submit to PYS and it does it for you.  I'm not an expert on the sailwave submission as we deliver directly from our database.  However there are a lot of posters on this forum that submit a lot of data via sailwave who will be able to help.

RS400 - the analysis of the PY returns only uses the PY used at the club to decide which competitors should be excluded for poor performance (we are looking for competent performances for the analysis).  Once that is done we are only interested in the elapsed time, no.of laps etc. for each competitor to calculate the "sailed to" PY.  Look at the YR2 algorithm documentation for an explanation.  Its done slightly differently from that - but essentially it is a similar scheme

Transient - the amount of data submitted to PYS has increased dramatically in the last two years.  I don't have the digests with me to check the growth, but it was very significant (more than double if I remember correctly).  I don't think the overall number of clubs returning changed that much but was still up a bit - I don't think we expected that to increase a lot, but the more clubs that submit via PYS the better.  It was very noticeable how many of the biggest and/or most active racing clubs had switched to using the PYS.

Mark

Originally posted by marke ..... RS400 - the analysis of the PY returns only uses the PY used at the club to decide which competitors should be excluded for poor performance (we are looking for competent performances for the analysis).  Once that is done we are only interested in the elapsed time, no.of laps etc. for each competitor to calculate the "sailed to" PY.  Look at the YR2 algorithm documentation for an explanation.  Its done slightly differently from that - but essentially it is a similar scheme ...... Mark

But how do you know what an elapsed time should be for say a PY of 1000, if you have nothing valid to reference it against? If I'm racing against Merlins with a Hayling number, how do you know what Portsmouth Number I have sailed to?
I find the glossing over of the process, and the fact that it is hidden from the general competitors, only available to those with logins 'representing a club' deeply unhelpful.
As someone with a numerate degree and a qualification in stats, I would point out that our sailing sec is more secretarial than actuarial, basically all this stuff is beyond them.
Given the standard of the last RYA comic, with confusion between CO and CO2, there is little cause for hope when accuracy is key.

There's nothing secret about any of the PY process, but as a practical point the RYA lack the staff numbers to engage in dialogues with everyone who wants to whinge about their PY No. The restriction on people 'representing' seems to be as good a way as any to give clubs support without being buried in other calls, which would mean no support for the clubs.

There are loads of broadcast public comms about how it all works. Nothing is missed out. When they co-opted me on the PY group there were no surprises. To an extent volunteers provide some extra communications, but its inevitable that sometimes they/we run out of patience.

Originally posted by JimC There's nothing secret about any of the PY process, but as a practical point the RYA lack the staff numbers to engage in dialogues with everyone who wants to whinge about their PY No. The restriction on people 'representing' seems to be as good a way as any to give clubs support without being buried in other calls, which would mean no support for the clubs. There are loads of broadcast public comms about how it all works. Nothing is missed out. When they co-opted me on the PY group there were no surprises. To an extent volunteers provide some extra communications, but its inevitable that sometimes they/we run out of patience.

every sector has it's fair share of awkward customers.