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    Posted: 24 Apr 13 at 2:45pm
Originally posted by Buzz

We sail on the sea as well and lay a triangular and windware leeward course. We have either two or three ribs out plus a shore based beach master when we run racing. We also have a named race officer and safety boat coordinator.
Wow thats a lot of people, how many boats do you have out? And is this every weekend or just for major events?
 
We run that structure for open meetings with no club racing.
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Buzzes duty crew sounds like the sort of level we have at WSC - two RIB's  for summer club racing, plus RO, ARO, CDO (= "clubhouse master"), and two on duty in the galley.  It is a lot, but the river twists about so two RIB's at least are needed to keep competitors in sight.

That contrasts strongly with my previous inland club where just two men performed committee boat RO & ARO, then safety boat duties, before rushing in after racing to open the bar (food crisps or nuts only, or bring your own!).  Max 15 boats, mind, c.f. WSC's maybe 30-odd

What duty crew do you use Contender443?  You're at sea, I think?
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We usually have about 20 - 30 dinghies out but it depends on the weather.
We run two or three ribs for racing on both Wednesday evenings and Sunday afternoons depending on conditions and availability of the ribs. For Open meetings and major events we increase the number of ribs to 1 rib per 10 dinghies so for a 100 boat Nationals we would have 10 Ribs plus a mark layer as well.
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We run with RO, ARO, 1 x RIB with 2 crew and 2 in the canteen most Sundays. On Wednesday there is no one in the canteen. The bar is run by a non-sailing bar manager every week with the help of 2 or 3 other regular bar staff.
 
Interesting needing 10 x RIBs for a 100 boat nationals. That would be a lot for an adult event sucjh as Lasers as all of those people can self rescue so you could probably get away with 2 or 3. Different matter if it was Oppies or Teras.
 
I went to a couple of Contender World/ European championships where they had 2 or 3 safety boats for 100+ boats in the fleets.
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Interesting needing 10 x RIBs for a 100 boat nationals. That would be a lot for an adult event sucjh as Lasers as all of those people can self rescue so you could probably get away with 2 or 3. Different matter if it was Oppies or Teras.

I think we had 10 RIBS when we ran Laser Opens, with up to around 150 boats - several borrowed with crews from local clubs.

For normal club sailing we have an RO and assistant onshore and one boat on the water with 2 crew, plus a spare small RIB at the top of the beach as backup. That's for any number of boats, up to about 35 max in practice.
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Originally posted by fudheid

Hi folks,
Is there a legal necessity to provide it .


Not in so many words. However https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_of_care

The leading judicial test for a duty of care in the United Kingdom was found in the judgments of Caparo Industries plc v Dickman,[2] in which the House of Lords set out the following three-part test:

  • Harm must be a "reasonably foreseeable" result of the defendant's conduct;
  • A relationship of "proximity" between the defendant and the claimant;
  • It must be "fair, just and reasonable" to impose liability.
If you are running racing for club members there's "proximity".  People do come to grief dinghy racing - not often but sometimes. So "reasonably foreseeable". It's standard practice to provide safety cover so there's your "fair, just and reasonable" to impose liability. Leave your RIBS on the beach and I'd say you are taking your chances.
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I would have thought you only have a duty of care to your employees. You can't ask them to do anything dangerous without taking mitigating actions and minimising the risk as much as possible. Of course all jobs come with some element of risk but the employee has the choice to take that job on.

As far as someone taking part in an amateur sporting event that must be very difficult. If you had to do this there wouldn't be many sporting events happening. How on earth could you make downhill skiing or mountain biking safe?

I guess what I am saying is please don't confuse duty of care in an amateur sporting environment with a professional working environment.
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I'm not averse to looking after myself and taking responsibility, but I don't think I'd look to join a dinghy club that did not provide basic RIB cover. I certainly wouldn't be recommending it to parents.

Edited by RS400atC - 29 Apr 13 at 1:18pm
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